Skip to main content

How to Test Labour Time?


What follows is a brain fart I had this evening...

~~~ ~~~ ~~~

How will anyone ever test labour time to see whether or not there is a robust relationship between labour time invested in a good and the sale price of that good? Obviously no labour theory advocate is going to point to one good, on one day, and say that the one price on that day maps to the labour time that went into it. Let's not let our urge to straw man people we disagree with overtake us entirely.

No. What they will say is that changes in prices will map to changes in labour time. Those changes over longer timeframes will be used to estimate with whatever level of precision the relationship between the socially necessary abstract labour time and the market price.

Folks who advocate labour theories don't consider them to operate in a vacuum anymore. If any Neo Ricardian sees this they will probably wonder why I'm saying "anymore" as they know better than me what Smith and Ricardo were into. But objective value theories are hella old, with Aristotle positing something resembling a confused cost/labour theory. Let's put together an evil experiment!

~~~ ~~~ ~~~

Imagine a study in which the hypothesis is that number of workers and duration of time to produce do not correlate strongly with the sale price of a given good. The intrepid economist would pick a particular good and then find the total amount of time and total number of people involved in producing it and getting it to market.

Calculation will be problematic, and several different methods will have to be used side by side;

No. of workers (n) + length of process in hours/years (hr) + money price in currency units ($)

T1T2T3T4
                                                                                     
FIRM An1 p1 | $n1 p1 | $n1 p1 | $n1 p1 | $
 n1 p2 | $n1 p2 | $n1 p2 | $n1 p2 | $
 n1 p3 | $n1 p3 | $n1 p3 | $n1 p3 | $
 n1 p4 | $n1 p4 | $n1 p4 | $n1 p4 | $
     
FIRM Bn2 p1 | $n2 p1 | $n2 p1 | $n2 p1 | $
 n2 p2 | $n2 p2 | $n2 p2 | $n2 p2 | $
 n2 p3 | $n2 p3 | $n2 p3 | $n2 p3 | $
 n2 p4 | $n2 p4 | $n2 p4 | $n2 p4 | $
     
FIRM Cn3 p1 | $n3 p1 | $n3 p1 | $n3 p1 | $
 n3 p2 | $n3 p2 | $n3 p2 | $n3 p2 | $
 n3 p3 | $n3 p3 | $n3 p3 | $n3 p3 | $
 n3 p4 | $n3 p4 | $n3 p4 | $n3 p4 | $
     
FIRM Dn4 p1 | $n4 p1 | $n4 p1 | $n4 p1 | $
 n4 p2 | $n4 p2 | $n4 p2 | $n4 p2 | $
 n4 p3 | $n4 p3 | $n4 p3 | $n4 p3 | $
 n4 p4 | $n4 p4 | $n4 p4 | $n4 p4 | $


So what will the relationship be between, say,  n1p1|$n1p1 and n3p1|$n3p1 eh? If I were to collect the 64 sets of worker numbers, production/distribution times and prices what trends would I get? Bear in mind the good is constant across all 64 sets and each T value is a specific start time - as close as possible the same start time for all four firms.

I guess I'll have to return to this matter and find a good that is easy to measure. Of course there are problems like how to measure a process that will take multiple days or weeks. There's also the matter of . Then there's

However I highly doubt that any robust relationship will emerge from this inquiry. Yes that is a bias, and it could be proved wrong when I get around to testing this hypothesis. What about on the macro scale?

~~~ ~~~ ~~~

The idea that labour time correlates neatly with prices, even at the macro level, is obviously bullshit if capital counts as stored labour because as capital intensity goes up the aggregate quantity of various labour times going into the capital used in the production of the good will go up overall as the labour time involved in making the good itself goes down, so that the labour is simply being spread across more and more stages in the production structure.

This is why there's still plenty of work to do even with fancy productive machines and 7 billion of us traipsing around, and shoots down any neat line between labour time and falling prices over long time frames, as prices fall while the aggregate labour figure remains roughly constant. Note that if you take issue with me for the previous sentence you're going to have to shelve any idea of macroeconomic value theories right now.

Without long time scales macroeconomics of any sort is useless for describing reality, and even with long timeframes you only ever get very broad brush strokes, like the rise in global GDP per capita/median income/life expectancy etc...

Comments

Popular posts from this blog

Iain McKay, Bryan Caplan & the Case of the "Anarchist" Anarchist

In the past I have written blog posts disputing claims contained in the online document called An Anarchist FAQ principally written by Iain McKay. I spent those posts trying to contend with Iain's claims re  the ancap question  and  the mode of production called capitalism . McKay has a bee in his bonnet re anarcho-capitalists' insistence on referring to themselves as anarchists, that much is obvious. Every reference to ancapism runs something along the lines of "an"cap or "anarcho"-capitalism. I find this very amusing because 'anarchist' or 'anarchism' are words (articulate mouth-sounds) first and specific concepts second.  Ditto 'socialist' and 'socialism' friends. Speaking of socialism... In  the comment section of one of his videos  the Youtuber called StatelessLiberty responded to a criticism by linking to Caplan's work  on the Anarchist adventure in Spain in the 1930's . The critic shot back with a  critic...

Commentaryism - The Death Toll of Capitalism

How many people have died because capitalism exists? How many would still be alive if it had never existed? Let's dig in! We will take two approaches over the course of this blog post by looking at the the death tolls attributed to the word in its broad popular definition - everything socialists don't like - versus the toll that fits the definition offered previously on this blog. By the same token I will not lay any outsized figures at any other mode of production's door except where that mode of production demonstrably caused the problem that killed people. It's political ideologies that really matter here, and this is where the first big problem with even trying to lay a specific body count before capitalism runs into problems - there is no political ideology called capitalism. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now then, Alfonso Gutierrez says  in a comment thread that "capitalism and free-markets have murdered billions of people" which is a risky cla...

Zeitardation

A Youtuber called axe863 made a video in which he used scientific, mathematical and statistical common-sense to deliver the KO that the Venus Project and Zeitgeist Movement so richly deserved. If his approach seems weird and unconventional it's because he's not attacking from a tradition neoclassical or Keynesian perspective. Axe863's poison is complexity economics, something a good deal more dangerous to ideas like TVP and TZM. [ 2 ] Now to a couple of comment threads from below the video that I thought could od with being replicated just in case they get deleted at source! ~~~ AstralLuminary 1 year ago Why can't we generalize the consumption patterns of middle-income people in the western world, set our constraints equal to the amount of localized resources, and the rate of resource recovery, derive a population growth model that would be sustainable to said consumption patterns, and derive the necessary quantifiable amount of work required to expen...